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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 5:06 pm 
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Hi,

got it 8)

greetz

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 Post subject: Re: Track Weapon Chassis
PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:10 pm 
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Good evening,

I have been watching this thread with great interest, the work is top notch as is the thought process.

Have you considered making your own air box? I made one for my supercharged imp a couple of years ago -

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here is the link to the thread -

http://retrorides.proboards.com/index.c ... 31&page=25

:) Keep up the stirling work

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 Post subject: Re: Track Weapon Chassis
PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 7:46 pm 
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Latest update photos showing the design for mounting the front C-One bumper and RT Performance combined undertray and splitter. The front engine support bar has a small subframe on the front which is part of the intercooler and radiator support system.

As most people who are familiar with the ST205 will know, the whole combination mounting of the front wing to nose section and undertay is quite time-consuming to dismantle. We really wanted to be able to quickly remove the front section for both ease of maintenance and to ensure we can load the car on the trailer/transporter without grounding out or damaging the splitter and nose section. Having seen the way the Aussie V8 Supercars are able to simply unbolt the entire front section and replace it during a pit stop this provided the inspiration to try and do something similar. As can be seen in the pics what we have come up with are extensions to the two chassis rails which allow the whole assembly to be mounted. I haven't yet seen this in the flesh so I'm not sure if some other additional fasteners are required for the wings and slam panel. Still, pretty happy with it so far.


Front Engine Mounting bar and C-One RTP splitter/undertray support


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 8:36 pm 
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Looks fantastic!

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 9:30 pm 
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that undertray is mahoosive.............just how I like it!!

Quite like that matt black type look of the front bumper

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 10:24 pm 
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Don't worry, this is work in progess, it won't be staying matt black. Super White to match the rest of the car. May leave the splitter and just wrap it in chip resistant film. It's quite likely to sustain damage on kerbs if I use the quick BTCC lines :wink:

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 11:23 pm 
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Starting to look like a car haha
Are you using a full under car aero package or is it the front splitter at this stage?
I was debating about welding some bosses under the car to attach the under body trays a couple of years back, but couldn't be arsed getting the sealer off at the time and it was a bit OTT for a street car.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 11:56 pm 
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This thread started in Dec 2007.

Massive project, very impressive indeed.

So what is the projected completion date?

Also would love to know where and when it's maiden voyage is going to be?

Got to be worth a drive to see it :D

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 12:25 am 
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DeeCee wrote:
Are you using a full under car aero package or is it the front splitter at this stage?
Nope, just what you see in the pics. Priority is simply to finish the car and get it running. Might consider fitting a flat floor and rear diffuser at a later date. The main gains are to be had with the control of the air at the front of the car so the rads and intercooler work efficiently.

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NoGT4 wrote:
This thread started in Dec 2007.

Massive project, very impressive indeed.

So what is the projected completion date?

Also would love to know where and when it's maiden voyage is going to be?

Got to be worth a drive to see it :D

The plan is to get the chassis and drivetrain completed by the end of next month then its off to get the loom and associated electrical systems fitted.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:16 am 
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the BTCC lines are definatly hard on the car, up at knockhill when they use the kerbs to their fullest potential, the car spends as much time on 2 wheels as 4!!!

Arent you going for full ground effect with the build? I thought you were considering a full under car panelling :D

I wonder if you went fast enough, could you skim over small rivers or lakes :D

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 1:24 am 
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Tilton Racing Clutch

The next stage of assembly has been the installation of a rare-as-hens-teeth Tilton Carbon-Carbon Clutch.

This carbon/carbon clutch was a Tilton catalogue item for the MR2 Rev2 and GT-Four/Alltrac but was discontinued in 2006 due to low demand. I originally tried to get hold of a new one around that time but they only had a sintered version left. Eventually a secondhand carbon version came up for sale. This was one of a batch of Tilton carbon clutches originally imported into the UK by a group of MR2/GT-Four enthusiasts. A detailed description of the unit and the development background was published on a US web site a few years ago. It's quite an interesting read so I've reproduced sections of it below:

Tilton Twin Carbon Disc Clutches - The Miracle Clutch

Tilton were the first company to develop a carbon-carbon clutch to win in Formula 1, the 1987 Detroit Grand Prix, with Ayrton Senna's Lotus 99T Honda Turbo. Apparently this was the last GP victory for Team Lotus.


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The Tilton clutch redefines clutch technology in various ways. The units use of lightweight material, weight set to the centre of the crank and its carbon on carbon construction are major advances.

Tilton also includes a few different size pressure plates to compensate for the wear on the discs and floaters. A graph and wear gauge are provided with the clutch to determine when a new pressure plate is needed. The drive hub is a unique piece that is patented by Tilton. Since the discs are made of carbon, the hub is a floater design rather than a rivet-style set-up.

Taking advantage of lightweight material is a necessity especially in four-cylinder applications. Many have tinkered with various ceramics and iron materials to improve clutch engagement and these efforts have been successful to some degree. The downfall of this approach is unavoidable; it is simply how a limited amount of surface area affects the heat resistance property of the clutch. Excess heat sacrifices holding power. Tilton addressed two fronts with its clutch-using twin discs to increase surface area and using exotic materials for added heat resistance. Tilton decided to use a lightweight carbon material for the following reasons; it's lighter than most other materials and has better wear properties, the clutch cover and pressure plate are made of aluminium, adding to the lightness as well as increasing the strength of the clutch assembly. Unlike most flywheels the Tilton chrome-moly flywheel has no friction contact patch for the drive plates (discs) to ride on. The unit relies on three floater plates to make contact with the number two-drive plate rather having the carbon contact the chrome moly surface. This not only improves the wear properties of the clutch but it also saves time when servicing the clutch. The starter ring gear is also machined into the unit and added perforations aid in cooling of the clutch while reducing weight. The 4140-chrome-moly flywheel is also heat-treated to endure extreme temperatures.

At each step of development the weight of the carbon composite material, the titanium clutch cover and all other materials were considered. Tilton's Carbon/Carbon clutches are available in 185mm diameter which is much smaller than a typical single-disc unit which measures in at 221mm. The smaller size has an effect on an engine's moment of inertia in comparison to an OEM unit. The rotating mass is narrowed down to the centre of the crank which allows the engine rev up more freely. The lighter load that the engine has to rotate is not only less than the OEM unit because of the lightweight material used, its moment of inertia is changed due to remaining weight of the clutch being so close to the centre of the crank. The weight of a single-disc clutch and OEM flywheel on a Honda B series engine is 29.8 lbs. The total weight of the Tilton unit is 12.6 lbs-the difference in these figures make it plain to see the advantages of the Tilton set-up.

Friction material and friction area are also critical concerns when dealing with high-horsepower applications. In the past, and present, different types of material have been used to transfer horsepower to the ground. Along with material concerns the size of clutch disc contact points (i.e. four puck, six puck and full face discs) are important factors. With the Carbon/Carbon unit Tilton relied on carbon composite to provide the necessary clamping force to transfer stratospheric power to the ground. What's different from most single-disc units is the use of a full carbon on carbon contact surface. With most single-disc units, the difference in disc material versus flywheel and pressure plate material tends to distort and cause uneven wear to all the parts. Since the Tilton's floaters and discs are constructed of carbon they share the same heat properties and, in turn, generate an even wear pattern while providing plenty of hook and book force. Even the chrome-moly flywheel and pressure plate becomes a non-friction contact patch due to the two additional floater plates the discs ride on.

The three floater discs are also of carbon construction making the unit a carbon-on-carbon design. This use of common material also increases the unit's heat resistance properties which is advantageous to performance and durability. Machined in the aluminum clutch cover are the posts the floater plates will ride on. This helps strengthen the clutch as a whole assembly.

One of the best features the clutch has to offer is its surface area coverage. A conventional clutch assembly has two sides of contact, one on the flywheel and one on the pressure plate with the disc in the middle. A twin-disc unit relies on two discs allowing for four areas of contact. This requires use of a floater plate to obtain the additional two surface areas. By bumping up on the surface area of the drive plates they are able to take on more horsepower and torque in the long run. With the two discs sandwiching the drive hub rather than two separate hubs riveted to the disc has made the clutch a full floating disc unit.

Until now it has been a foregone conclusion that a hardcore race clutch cannot be tamed for the street. Excessive chatter, poor initial engagement and pedal pressures that require a pry bar for engagement combined with the threat of stop-and-go traffic have made the streetable race clutch a mirage of the mind. Until now. High horsepower street machines can harness their power more efficiently with the Tilton Carbon/Carbon clutch. The full-face configuration of the carbon discs, their lack of pads and the result reduction of spring pressure need for engagement take the chatter out of the Tilton clutch. The full face design and light weight of the disc also dispatch abrupt engagement of the clutch. Furthermore, Tilton has moved the fulcrum point on the pressure plate to reduce pedal pressure and enhance the streetability of the clutch. If you have a turbo Honda or other power packed turbo-enhanced street machine and go through clutches quicker than you change your oil, the Tilton unit may be an install it and forget it proposition.

Since the Tilton clutch has enhanced the moment of inertia by virtue of its lighter weight and improved centre of velocity, technically it should not only hook up better but show a gain in horsepower output.


Here are some pics of the unit as it was assembled into my standard ST205 gearbox.

Lightweight Racing Flywheel

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Carbon Clutch Pack

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Hydraulic Clutch Release Bearing

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Assembled Engine/Gearbox/Transaxle unit offered up to the chassis

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amazing how quickly everything seems to come together nearing the end of a build, good work

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 8:55 pm 
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Hi,

how about the hydraulic clutch release bearing, do you built a straight shift system :)

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That gurtnormous alternator stands out like a spare one at a wedding
I hope you picked up the tinyalternators.com catalog at autosport


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