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PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 3:38 pm 
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Hi Don,

especialy i'am interested in pictures where i can see the top auf the manifold and the head/rockercover, i'll try to know how much do the manifold resposition the turbo against OEM position
i found not a good picture

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Hi Sunny

THIS page from Kris'n'Looseys gtfours site might provide you with some insight.

You should be able to guestimate using the exhaust flange bolt positions to determine the difference between the two

BTW, I believe those pics are of Don's manifold. There is actually more than 1 style of TTE manifold just to further confuse the issue


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Hi two_OH_five,

i know the HP and the pictures :)

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DOETH!

Preveiw you idiot not submit

Don't mind me, I just wanted a quick side by side of two pictures for, er, no reason in particular :oops:
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TrackToyFour wrote:
The heavy SuperStrut front suspension has been replaced by a much lighter McPherson strut.


only weight is the reason to place McPherson instead of SSS? I saw on photos of real WRC celica McPherson as well...

Hm, what was the main idea of toyota engineers to make SSS, no bushes?

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It's more than just weight. As end users we face some other issues too.

The big advantage of superstrut is it's ability to maintain constant camber throughtout the range of suspension movement and throughout the full range of steering movement

There's also another line of thought although it is purely conjecture. When a car is Homologated it's suspension is fixed. The superstrut configuration includes 4 pivot points which means that technically the 205 TTE could have used a dual wishbone setup in rally configuration

It's downside, as all ST205 owners know, is a complex system which while it doesn't wear particularly fast compared to conventional systems does suffer a significant drop in performance as this wear happens

Why TTE dropped it, nobody knows for certain. Well, I suppose the TTE engineers know but they're not telling us :lol:
It seems likely that they found little benefit from the constant camber setup but suffered heavy wear on the rutted surfaces which caused more bad effects than good.
Maybe they ran superstrut on tarmac events and McPherson on dirt. Again we the public can't really be sure but there are more photos of McPherson equipped cars than superstrut cars so it's reasonable to assume they gave it up for good

As to why Don gave it up, there are a few reasons reasons

Superstrut is non adjustable
Don's custom McPherson arms can be remanufactured reasonably cheaply to provide different suspension geometry
Superstrut is painfully expensive
You are always faced with the unfortunate possibility of contact with barriers and other cars in a race car. If you bend the superstrut this will be far more painful than simply replacing a lower wishbone
Superstrut is heavy
The full set of arms alone weight in at 16Kg half of which is unsprung weight. The struts themselves probably add another 5kg of purely unsprung weight. It's quite likely that Don's setup shaves 20KG of unsprung weight and 30Kg overall
Superstrut is inflexible
You are very very limited on damper choice for superstrut. Not necessarily a problem for a works rally team but a definite problem for John Q Public. Don's standard McPherson setup opens up a huge range of off the shelf dampers compared to superstrut which limits you to either TRD or TEIN setups (discounting BC and the like which are not or racing quality) and even these are very limited in race performance terms


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clear, thanks a lot


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Hi,

i think BC is better for race as Tein, a friends Tein is damaged after 6month (daily and race car, ST185), another friend drive the BC on his ST185 (race) and it works fine without problems, doesn't know exactly how long he uses it, but i'am sure more then 6months

i have a look at the Tein suspension and saw that the damper piston is small in diameter against the BC (44mm)
wolf also speak from better adjustability of the BC

i can't can say it exactly, i only know: quality must not be expensive :)

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I'm sure I can destroy a pro WRC setup in one day so that doesn't say much Alex..

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Meurz wrote:
I'm sure I can destroy a pro WRC setup in one day so that doesn't say much Alex..


Hi,

i must agree,
but, i expect that parts do his job longer as 6month when i spend xxxx€ :)

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any news, must be getting close to the spray booth time.

lovely build in every way. bet you walk around a little lighter theses days Don.


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Yes, more wallet draining is due next week Jon when the car heads off to have the Rad and IC installed along with all the other ally fabrication like swirl pot, header tanks, hard pipes etc.

Quick question, do you rate Wiggins connectors for hard pipes? Thinking of the coolant pipes in particular.

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clam shell quick release system.
great system for sure, pretty costly worth it for when time is at a premium.

from the few iv'e experienced they worked fine.

noted from time to time they do get changed out probably due to continual abuse from poor working environment, did have one that had a wobbly latch made no difference to its function.

the added expense is a small percent of your overall build cost.

think earls at one point were offering some pretty attractive discount on the w900 range .


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Great feedback DJ, ta :D

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Dropped the shell and dummy engine off at Concept Racing today (http://www.conceptracing.co.uk) so they could start work on the intercooler and water radiator end tanks on my ST205 Track Toy. They work on everything from historic Formula 1 cars to split screen Volkswagen camper vans!

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