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Author:  jgtcracer [ Sat Jan 19, 2013 9:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Help from all users of wheel spacers
This is one for all you guys using wheel spacer arrangements to fit Scooby alloys to the car.

Got some Volks alloys to bolt to the car but the offset wont allow the wheel to clear the front calipers. Im tempted to just buy 4x 20mm hubcentric spacers so that I can get the wheels on the car but I would also like to sort out the filling of the arches.

What brands and distributers have people used to get spacers and sizes used.

cheers guys

Marcus

ps. I thought they would be cheaper than they are, does £150 ball park sound about right for 4??
Author:  TrackToyFour [ Sat Jan 19, 2013 10:53 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Help from all users of wheel spacers
What is the Centre Bore on the Volks? Should be 54mm. Some aftermarket wheels have a replaceable CB insert but if they are OEM items I would imagine that the CB is fixed. All the loading on the wheels should be taken through the CB spigot not the wheel studs. I've seen a few cases of wheel studs breaking. Do you know what size spacer you need to increase the offset to clear the calipers? If its too thick then you will run out of thread on the wheel studs to secure the nuts properly. You can of course fit longer wheel studs to the hub to get around this. The CB issue would be more difficult to address.
Author:  jgtcracer [ Sun Jan 20, 2013 9:10 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Help from all users of wheel spacers
the hubcentric spacers Im considering are from EP Racing. Theyre the type that bolt onto the hub and have studs attached to them so that original length isn't an issue. I believe I would have to buy inserts to convert the centre bore to the Toyota fitment. I'll have a better look today at the wheels. Theyre Volks gt-c alloys
Author:  ST185pinjo [ Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:58 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Help from all users of wheel spacers
I have some H&R DRM's 25[mm] on the rear. Got them of ebay.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/H-R-Toyota-Ce ... 1c2e1fe2c3
Author:  XLarge [ Mon Jan 21, 2013 1:20 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Help from all users of wheel spacers
Volkswagen have 57 mm center bore so You´ll have to use adapter rings therefore as Toyotas with 100 pcd have 54 mm center bore.

I use spacers from H&R as well. 15 mm per side with longer studs on the front and 30 mm per side with integrated studs in the rear as my wheels are 48 mm offset.
Author:  hally [ Mon Jan 21, 2013 7:20 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Help from all users of wheel spacers
freakyparts do custom spacers also the hubcentric may be worth giving them a call
http://www.freakyparts.co.uk/
Author:  rhino [ Tue Jan 22, 2013 1:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Help from all users of wheel spacers
As an aside, I have recently fitted bolt on hubcentric spacers to my st205 (machined by a local specialist for about £200 for four); during the build up to doing so I did a fair bit of research about spacers. I used to believe that hubcentric spacers were vital as they saved the studs taking the weight of the vehicle; after some internet trawling I am no longer so certain. Many suggest that the only value of hubcentric spacers or rings is assistance with regard centering the wheel prior to torquing the nuts...and that they are not required at all if you have the ability to centre the wheel properly before torquing the nuts (the right technique and patience). Being unsure I chose to pay a bit more and get wheel and hubcentric spacers.
Two useful links if you want to read a bit more about whether hubcentric is 'essential' or 'convenient': -
http://www.gencoupe.com/wheels-tires-br ... rings.html
http://www.elantraxd.com/forums/showthr ... tric-Rings

Any thoughts or knowledge gratefully received
Author:  Gary ST165 [ Tue Jan 22, 2013 4:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Help from all users of wheel spacers
jgtcracer wrote:

ps. I thought they would be cheaper than they are, does £150 ball park sound about right for 4??



yep!

http://www.carparts-tuning.co.uk/en/Whe ... s%20celica

25mm ^ per side.




Ideally with subaru specific offsets (ET48 - ET54) you may need 30mm - 40mm spacers per side depending how flush / hella flush you want the stance
Author:  XLarge [ Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:27 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Help from all users of wheel spacers
25 mm per side on the front and 40mm per side on the rear will be to much with +48 mm offset wheels.

On this picture I had 15 mm per side on the front and 40 mm per side on the back with 7,5x18 +48 mm offset wheels and 225/35-18 tires:

Image

Not too hellaflush, but even therefore the wheel arcs in front and back had to be bend for tire clearence.

At harsh use on track the rear tires still rubbed the paint off the wheel arcs:

Image

so I´ve changed to 30 mm spacers on the rear after that day on the Nürburgring. Now the rear wheels don´t damage the paint anymore:

Image
Author:  Gary ST165 [ Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:39 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Help from all users of wheel spacers
XLarge,

its difficult to give exact advise as jgtcracer hasn't given the wheel diameter : 16" / 17" /18" /19 " ? , wheel width 6.5J, 7J, 7.5J, 8J etc or wheel offset !

do we assume it is to fit his ST185 or ST205 etc ?

is his car stock lowered on coilovers , springs or higher...
Author:  XLarge [ Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:07 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Help from all users of wheel spacers
Just wanted to give a sample as I tought the same. But my choice of wheels and spacers should be a good sample for the ST185 as my wheels and tires are not too wide so different diameters won´t play a big role.
Author:  Pete Crease [ Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Help from all users of wheel spacers
rhino wrote:
I used to believe that hubcentric spacers were vital as they saved the studs taking the weight of the vehicle; after some internet trawling I am no longer so certain. Many suggest that the only value of hubcentric spacers or rings is assistance with regard centering the wheel prior to torquing the nuts...and that they are not required at all if you have the ability to centre the wheel properly before torquing the nuts (the right technique and patience).


Yep spot on. If you sit and think about it all the spigot ring is doing is centring the wheel before you torque the bolts up. There is no weight being taken by either the studs, or the spigot ring. The weight of the car is supported by the clamping force between the faces. The only load the studs are taking are in extension as the bolts try to extend the studs as it were.

I guess the best example of this is on the brake disc's they aren't held on by anything other than as it all squishes up as the bolts are tightened. But yes I'd say with complete certainty that the ring having to be there (for load bearing or centring reasons) is an internet myth. As long as you tighten the bolts up in a sensible order to equal torques (as you do anyway) the countersinks in the wheels will self centre it.
Author:  cms-gt4 [ Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:31 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Help from all users of wheel spacers
I have been running 25mm hubcentric h&r rear spacers since around 2003. I recently had gotten another set on ebay from a company with good reviews for half the price. I also had a third set made by another company so I can convert the rear to 5x114 to match my fronts.
Author:  jgtcracer [ Sat Jan 26, 2013 9:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Help from all users of wheel spacers
I'll give a few extra details as it does help with getting correct spacers for wheels

Wheels are 16"x 7.0J Volks GT-C's with an ET45 5x100. Wheels are going on an pretty damn low ST205 on BC Racing Coilovers

I ended up getting 20mm hubcentric spacers at the front and 25mm at the rear. Im pretty damn happy with the results. I will try and get some pictures up if opportunity permits.

The front wheels fit pretty perfectly, they look almost flush with the wing. To be honest, a 15mm spacer would possibly be better to ensure that you do not foul the arch. I have only hit it once at full lock whilst going over a bump but to be honest if thats the only time it will do it then I dont mind. Car is extremely low

Rears again are a massive improvement, filling the arch brilliantly and giving a far more aggressive stance. With my wheel size, I could of even went 30-35mm each side if I wanted to.

Not the cheapest option to modify the appearance of your car considering it is such a subtle improvement, but worth it if your that way inclined.

I very much recommend using EP Racing for spacers if your after 20mm hubcentric jobbies.

Thanks for the feedback guys!!

Marcus
Author:  toyokid [ Sun Jan 27, 2013 6:16 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Help from all users of wheel spacers
Hello Marcus

You sound like you are using lowered coilovers for appearance rather than performance?

Stephen
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