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 Post subject: st 205 wrc??
PostPosted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 5:37 pm 
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does anyone know the vin/chassis range of the st205 wrc models, one might assume they start at zero but this is not always the case.
i can't get this info anywhere even toyota can't enlighten me.
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I don't know if there is a specific range for wrc models. I don't think they're necessarily in the 0 to 2500 range. If you're trying to identify whether a car is a wrc look for the additional equipment - antilag valve on the chargecooler is most obviois but is quite often removed. Take a look at the extreme top left of the turbo heatshield under the chargecooler. If you can see a large bolt head in a cutout in the sheild it's an atilag manifold ad hence a wrc model


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Hi Mark, welcome to our little corner of GT-Four land.

The VIN/Chassis Plates for the UK spec and JDM ST205's respectively do not seem to be consecutively numbered so you can't rely on them for identification of the 2500 WRC homologation cars. Having said that, the early 1994 cars all seem to have a low VIN/Chassis number, as you might expect. If you use the features described by Steve above this is pretty well foolproof.

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Thanks guys,
i was nosing about under the bonnet yesterday and spotted the three spay nozzles winking at me from the back of the bumper so i imedietly jumped on the 'extra goodies' link and she has all five of the extras! so i guessed she was a wrc but vin is out of the 2500 range so really wanted to confirm it was a genuine one rather than someone added bits to,
the vin is low but was sold to me as a straight 205, guess nobody knew what it was? lucky me!! :D


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Generally there isnt a price difference between WRC and non-WRC ST205's. I've kept my JDM ST205WRC pretty well as it came off the production line apart from an enforced change of turbo by the previous owner when the original failed. Most owners have modded their Fours so its pretty unusual to find a standard one these days. Post up some pics when you get a chance.

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The old 'WRC or not' page on the old ST205.net website used to list that the WRC's were 2500 of the first 5000 cars but not consecutively numbered.

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 Post subject: Re: st 205 wrc??
PostPosted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 3:39 pm 
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macwatt wrote:
Hi guy's
I just joined and need some help!
does anyone know the vin/chassis range of the st205 wrc models, one might assume they start at zero but this is not always the case.
i can't get this info anywhere even toyota can't enlighten me.
look forward to your replies
regards
mark



The no longer active "Russian site" http://www.toyota.mnc.ru/framno/STindex.html indicated that ST205 production started with VIN # ST205-0001001

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^^^ from http://web.archive.org/web/20041115110640/toyota.mnc.ru/framno/ST205.html

The Toyota Electronic Parts Catalogue goes a step further... if you identify the part number for lets say the unique WRC exhaust manifold with anti lag pipes... it states that these are only for 3sgte 9402 > 9404 eg February, March, April 1994 ;)

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Using the EPC i have established that ST205-0004421 was the last car to be built in April 1994, and that ST205-0004422 was the first car off the production line in May 1994.
Whether it is factually correct to state that all WRC have a VIN # equal or less than ST205- 0004421 .... i dunno!


We used to have a WRC register on the OC with the range of actual WRC VIN numbers from owners cars. however some of that info has since been lost through site upgrades.

i found this using the "waybackmachine" the last archive dated as of 30th September 2007

http://web.archive.org/web/20070930174633/http://www.gt4oc.net/owners/owners_registers.php?type=205WRC



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Owner Number
Paul King 183
Daniel Hughes 766
matthew roberts 884
gary henderson 1109
Bengt Lammasniemi 1113
Dan Barber 1127
John Harrison 1130
James Whiteman 1175
Stuart Ingham 1216
Clarence Tang 1220
Ash Beeson 1246
Stephen Jeeves 1261
1261
Nyle Bassilious 1268
1297
Nathan Lowndes 1312
Christopher Mastin 1371
Richard Radbourne (UK Car) 1412
Graham Nutt (UK Car) 1418
marcus wade 1470
Matthew Harbour 1505
Craig Elder 1586
barry wilkinson 1592
Geoff Tate (uk car) 1601
Paul Wigzell (UK car) 1609
chris smitherman 1705
Paul Sweeney 1720
coxy 1751
Peter Foreman 1816
Steven Dora 1816
matthew byrne 1905
paul beckett 1913
Kennet Climpson 1978
Craig Thompson 1980
colin shiels 1983
Mike Barnes 2007
Jeff Sanderson (UK car) 2031
Iain Gard 2048
Clint Godde (Australian Delivered) 2063
Martin Farrell 2082
Jan-Willem Ligtelijn 2107
Steve Holbrow (UK car) 2117
Mitchell Cunningham (aus. del.) 2151
Barry Schleswick 2212
Lance Platt 2224
Darren Railton 2249
Mark Coakley 2273
Mikey Johnson 2277
colin Mclelland 2277
mike Hopkinson 2318
Col Day 2394
Lee Monckton 2472
LEE FOSTER 2517
Nik Delahunty 2582
Mark CL 2594
Alex Knight 2608
Don Boyack 2617
Willie Deas 2653
Di & Jake Turner 2786
roger cottrell 2811
Craig Lloyd 2828
Gareth Phillips 2850
Andrew Lee 2875
Gary Nicholson 2890
Chris Mann 2894
Jon Barnes 2999
Len Barker 3008
dale hodges 3008
Kaho Cheung 3062
Keith Fleet 3090
James Drake (uk car) 3122
MARKL860TUP 3187
Shaun Kemp 3200
Alan Meneely 3248
Asim Ali 3272
ross davidson 3314
steve hirst 3346
James Gent 3454
Andy Stott 3548
Chris Brain 4095
Alex Sakutukwa 4817

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i also don't know how chassis numbers are effected by jdm vs eu chassis numbers. Is there a jt164#00001 and a st205#00001 fer instance


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 6:08 pm 
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Jeff's UK WRC

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By entering the UK / EU chassis number starting JT164... etc and pressing search, the EPC populates the frame number as ST205 0002031 , it also tells us the build date and paint colour code ;)

hence that to me suggests that there is only one 2031 frame number...

however what i don't understand is the relationship to the 700xxxx frame numbers listed on the Russian site.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 3:17 pm 
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im fairly sure the frame numbers where unique, if not and there were multiples of for example my number 5132 then there would be 10's of thousands of st205's roaming the streets, and i see to be honest, none on my daily driving. maybe 1 a week other than mine and thats only because he lives on my way to work


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 3:24 pm 
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I've always assumed the last four digits are unique to the combined VIN and Chassis numbers.

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