My 185 failed it's MOT today.
Corroded brake lines.

I am considering running the new lines inside the car, has anyone else done this?

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1991 Jap ST185A
ST205 Head Gasket.
Some random RV & no-name BOV
Blitz Nur-spec SS backbox
Apexi Air Filter

ST205 Front Calipers - Yes, really!

Andy has as far as I know

I think I'd keep mine external unless going for a real track weapon where the reduced risk of kitty litter line removal would outweigh the effort
The stock lines have lasted 15 years and I'm pretty sure another replacement set will outlast the rest of the car

hi
i rolled my own from auto factors standard 3/16th copper line

i have the additional advantage of having a stripped car, so can run the lines where i like.

one thing i would say however, is to run the copper lines inside a length of rubber tubing. this will prevent chafing and generally protect the lines a tad.

brake lines really are easy to do, just take your time and be sure to DOUBLE FLARE the ends!*


*single flares can pop under heavy breaking, as i found out when testing the braking ability of my car

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Sprint ST165 aka "The 500BHP Sledgehammer" #6 in the Toyota Sprint Series. GT3071 1.9bar

Andy - what's the double flaring I have seen you mention a few times?

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Kris
95 ST205 - slept for 10 years, now waking up...
Avensis
http://www.gtfours.co.uk
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Turbocharging - the replacement for displacement

this page can explain better than i can

http://robrobinette.com/flare_brake_line.htm

basically tho, flare it out with the adapter die, then flare the line back in again with the "press".

makes the ends stronger, so they wont deform under the 1200+psi pressure you will exert on the line under heavy breaking

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Sprint ST165 aka "The 500BHP Sledgehammer" #6 in the Toyota Sprint Series. GT3071 1.9bar

Another 185 (my mate's new car) failed it's MOT today.

Corroded brake lines, same place as mine.

It seems the plastic covers over the lines do a fine job of keeping all the crap in and thus causing corrosion.
MOT tester reckons it is one of the worst routings he has ever seen and is just asking for trouble.

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1991 Jap ST185A
ST205 Head Gasket.
Some random RV & no-name BOV
Blitz Nur-spec SS backbox
Apexi Air Filter

ST205 Front Calipers - Yes, really!

OK, thread ressurection time!

I now have a trackday deadline to work to so I need to actually start work on the car.

Does anyone have a diagram of the braking system for ABS and non-ABS cars?
I'm going to lose the ABS, run the rear lines in the car and generally tidy up the pipe routing.

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1991 Jap ST185A
ST205 Head Gasket.
Some random RV & no-name BOV
Blitz Nur-spec SS backbox
Apexi Air Filter

ST205 Front Calipers - Yes, really!

No, but I have some non-ABS pictures...

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Kris
95 ST205 - slept for 10 years, now waking up...
Avensis
http://www.gtfours.co.uk
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Turbocharging - the replacement for displacement

Pics look like they are from an ST205. I would have thought that the ST185 would be different?

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Don
GT4DC Chairman
1994 Toyota Celica GT-Four ST205WRC JDM 269bhp @ 0.9bar
1994 Toyota Celica GT-Four Special GT 590bhp @ 1.8bar
1989 Van Diemen RF88/89 Formula Ford 1600
2008 Nissan Patrol GU 3.0L ZD30DDTi 154bhp

I think it is a JAP St185.
1) Looks like St185
2) St202 IIRC is a jap chasiis number
3) No ABS = must be JAP spec
4) I suspect it is pictures of Datajon's project shell

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JP
GT4DC Treasurer

Grey St185 RC
Silver BMW E46 M3
Multicolour yawn Honda VFR400
Silver Honda Civic Type-R

Doh!

Pics above are from a Jap 205. Probably won't help too much Mr Doomanic, sorry!

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Kris
95 ST205 - slept for 10 years, now waking up...
Avensis
http://www.gtfours.co.uk
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Turbocharging - the replacement for displacement

if youre going to remove the abs, you need a 3/16th 3-way adapter from demon tweeks (£7) and to reuse the existing bias valve from your setup. this is assuming the 185 is the same as the 165

you should have something like this on your existing brake setup. this is the bias valve

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Sprint ST165 aka "The 500BHP Sledgehammer" #6 in the Toyota Sprint Series. GT3071 1.9bar

from the master cylinder, run one of the outlets into the t-piece and take both lines from this to the front brakes.

with the bias valve, run the other master cylinder feed to the entry of this, then take off the rear caliper feeds from this.

easy really. the devil is in the detail in the picture above, the copper pipe is the MC feed and the OEM pipes are the ones to the rear left/right

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Sprint ST165 aka "The 500BHP Sledgehammer" #6 in the Toyota Sprint Series. GT3071 1.9bar