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PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2013 5:02 pm 
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Is it reasonable to expect a refurbished turbo not to leak friggin oil ? Having just had the engine reinstated in the 185 and fired up :D, a oil leak was found around the lower rear , at first the oil feed/return pipe was thought to the culprit . But oh no it couldnt be that easy could it :? , the turbo is weeping oil from the clamp between the bearing housing and exhaust side... *bleep* !

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PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2013 7:34 pm 
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I would be straight on the phone to who ever done the recon!!!!


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PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2013 8:49 pm 
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I would be straight on the phone to who ever done the recon!!!!


I was si , and when initially i was fobbed off with "oh theres no one here that can help you at the moment" , i was on the phone again an hour later with some satisfaction although again it was blamed on the exhaust :? and then the oil feed/return before an admission it "could" be the turbo .
Which now puts me in a bit of a pickle :lol:, aet have agreed to collect and inspect said offending item , however how many companies have admitted finding any wrong doing during a rebuild ? Standard answers apply...oil starvation or oil contamination failure to prime properly etc etc , so is it actually wise to let them have it back or just let another turbo specialist have a look and pay yet again for something that should have been done right in the first place ?
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PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2013 10:35 pm 
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That is a bit odd. i am not sure what to suggest other than visit them and inspect the turbo as they dismantle it/video it. Are AET trustworthy or adopt the typical turbo company " its your fault" approach?

As I understand it the clamp joins the CHRA (centre rotating Housing Assembly) to the exhaust housing and no oil flows between the two.

I can only guess that the thrust bearing has been missed off the assembly and is *bleep* oil into the exghaust housing and leaking out of the join? It is a real guess.

http://www.3sgte.com/1JZGTE.htm An interesting link I found whilst searching.

How Turbo companies market their products:- http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9 ... RtStxFxRWg

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PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2013 10:57 pm 
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Ahem, I won't say it :lol:

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5968&hilit=turbo

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Bearing in mind that the hybrid has failed already, and many standard factory turbos are still running after 150K+ miles, I would probably expect a secondhand, good condition turbo to outlast a rebuild.

i would chuck your standard one on and see how it goes. You may find a sudden increase in torque and drivability which you prefer. One of the best compromises for road use IMO is the standard ST205 turbo. Still got good bottom end performance but doesn't run out of puff at the top like the standard 185.

Option of refurb & sell the hybrid, or just sell as 'in need of refurb'.


I haven't had an exhaust housing off, but from what I've seen I'm pretty sure there is no oilway to the V joint as JP says. Sounds like the exhaust oil seal is leaking into the exhause and then weeping out through the joint.

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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2013 4:34 am 
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We can rebuild turbo for you. Honest local small company, with heavy punchan offer 12 month warrenty. :-)


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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2013 7:53 am 
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Sorry to hear of your issues!
Are AET trustworthy or adopt the typical turbo company " its your fault" approach?

I gave up using AET as everything was 'my mechanics fault' even though my mechanic is Martin Kingston.
Martin switched to a new turbo supplier and as far as I know there have been no such issues.
Certainly not with any turbos I have had fitted to my cars since the supplier switch.
http://www.turboforce.co.uk/

At one point I seriously considered stickering my car with an anti AET turbo advert.


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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2013 8:23 am 
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Colin :), after posting up on the oc it was martin that contacted me regarding various failures and problems with aet :( . Alas my turbo had been there a week and was wip so couldnt be removed , otherwise i certainly would have considered it . So now , do i have any confidence in aet to do a impartial strip and report on any faults found ? Not f**king likely really is it :? .

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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2013 11:49 am 
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Good luck Clive!

You didn't pay via credit card did you?

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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2013 1:52 pm 
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Good luck Clive!

You didn't pay via credit card did you?


I did, yes jp .

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If there is a fault with the turbo you can get re-imbursed by the credit card company without going through Small Claims :)....so long as it cost more than £100.

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The problem is proving that the rebuild was faulty.

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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2013 7:18 pm 
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With oil widdling out like that I'd suspect someone forgot to fit the rear seal


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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2013 7:53 pm 
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Ok , does anybody think i should return it to aet for appraisal ? If i dont what happens, an independent inspection ?
Or just get it taken somewhere else and rebuilt proper like... :lol: If there has been something omitted from the build , would aet admit so ? If it was inspected elsewhere they couldnt deny it but would they accept the outsourced inspection ? Hmmm .

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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2013 10:43 pm 
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It seems the company is known to be dodgy, therefore the chance of them admitting liability is slim and once they have the turbo the evidence will be gone.

In your shoes, I would send it to another company to put right, hopefully it won't be a full rebuild.

If you want to persue a claim with the original company then get a report stating what the problem was and the likely cause. This report may cost extra. The difficulty in claiming is that it's usually expected that the company has the opertunity to put it right themselves. I would probably approach them with a copy of the report, and advise them that you will refer the matter to trading standards. My suspicion is that it will just be something to chalk up to experience.

From experience, if you send it back to the original company they will charge you for another rebuild which could well fail again and leave you in the same situation once more but even further out of pocket.

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