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 Post subject: Re: ECU repair
PostPosted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 9:38 pm 
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I have personally seen this issue on 3 different rev3 mr2 turbo ECU's. As you have all found if you catch them early enough before the PCB tracks are toast you can do a fairly easy repair. IMO all MR2/Celica ECU's of this type will eventually have this issue. It's probably just that cap coming to the end of it's life and not any sort of inherrent fault.


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 Post subject: Re: ECU repair
PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 7:17 am 
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Cheers cdb, as you say the poly will be massively bigger to the point of not fitting in the box!

It sounds like the main damage is caused afte the cap failure so the early inspection and replacement before the cap fails sounds like the best plan. A 10uf 50v cap is after all pence and could be replaced by any ham fisted soldering iron wielding monkey (I fit the bill) if the tracks are intact.

Now I need to find my ecu!

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 Post subject: Re: ECU repair
PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:12 pm 
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I had a quick measure round Doris's ECU tonight and couldn't find any tracks actually open circuit yet, so fitted to Daryls CS and it ran fine, no issues. Engine light worked fine - this is before changing the capacitors.

What symptome did you have Dorris ?

It is of course possible that the corrosion is through the track but in the warm weather with expansion the ends have pushed together again.

I'll clean up, replace capacitors and link across any tracks that have been attacked in case they go bad in the future then test again next week all being well.

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 Post subject: Re: ECU repair
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Just adding a link to the 205 ecu thread by Phil before it gets lost in the mass.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7515

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 Post subject: Re: ECU repair
PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2016 9:48 pm 
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Adding another thread on CCUK about the gen6 ecu. A few interesting points, particularly that the gen6 is a multilayer PCB which will make repair much harder if corrosion gets through the through plating. Also, it will require more care changing as a precaution as the through plating mustn't be damaged.

http://www.celica-club.co.uk/forum/inde ... cu-repair/

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 Post subject: Re: ECU repair
PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2016 7:59 pm 
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There is an excellent thread here discussing the issue in depth:

http://www.clublexus.com/forums/ls-1st- ... citor.html


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 Post subject: Re: ECU repair
PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2016 8:50 am 
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Another one bites the dust!
Project Arsey had started to occasionally flash the check engine light. - Fault codes were non-existent and just ignition on with TE1 & E1 seemed to set the car alarm off!

Having thankfully read about Chris' discovery a while back the first check was the ECU.

ImageImageimage by diceman2002uk, on Flickr

Cap was removed & Board Cleaned with solvent and then HPA. (I wasn't happy with teh cleaning job TBH but this was after 30-40 minutes with solvent & brush, some bits were like they had been baked in the oven for 2 hours and I didn't want to risk lifting tracks by scraping the crusty goop off.

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New cap installed
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Whilst I have tested continuity on the main 2 tracks I fear could have been damaged (E1 - R209) & (TVIS to R848) both seemed fine and tested OK. I am tempted to try fitting the ECU to test if I still have the CEL issue or maybe just install a bridging wire on E1 - R209 now.

Chris did say it's normally the big triangular area of track that suffers but I can't see which bit he means (Maybe mine has been eaten?)

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 Post subject: Re: ECU repair
PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 8:16 pm 
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The big triangular track is on the top board. You haven't shown any pictures of this so I'm guessing you've overlooked it.

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 Post subject: Re: ECU repair
PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 8:19 pm 
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p.s. The negative connection for the capacitor on the lower board is nearly always gone, and even if not you won't get solder to take on the corroded copper. I usually make this connection on the track side with a bit of wire up to the emitter of the nearby transistor.

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 Post subject: Re: ECU repair
PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 9:24 pm 
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Cheers Chris,

The top board had been inspected and the capacitor had not leaked at ll. As in PM you indicated this capacitor was more likely the issue with CEL erratic behaviour I've just pulled it out anyhow, it measures around 3-4 nF so evidently dead and the same as the one that had already splurged.

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 Post subject: Re: ECU repair
PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 8:45 pm 
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Interesting that they can also fail with no visible issues.

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 Post subject: Re: ECU repair
PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2016 12:43 pm 
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Indeed Mike,
Electrolytic capacitors "drying out" is a common issue in valve amps and class A amplifiers due to heat but I hadn't expected to encounter the same issue in an ECU. I guess the ECU does contain a series of transistors and does heat up as a result but I know little about teh failure modes of electrolytic capacitors.

The main thing I can suggest however is that if any of you have an ECU and intend keeping the car I'd get the capacitors replaced before they start to eat the PCB tracks or show visual sign of failure. Whilst sourcing a replacement ST205 ECU may be a fair bit easier than a ST185 RC for the sake of around 40 pence of capacitors and a good drink to a friendly electronics nerd it is worth doing.

IMHO the most difficult part is trying to idnetify where the now non-existent PCB tracks should go! I'm hoping mine is still OK on the PCB tracks but it is still a PITA to try and trace the double-sided PCB tracks, especially when you have leaked electrolyte over the board.

I ended up using a garage LED inspection light under the PCB to trace the tracks and checked continuity with a multi-meter. You can clearly see where the tracks have been eaten.
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Big thanks to Chris on this; without his write up and help I wouldn't have diagnosed or attempted repair.

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 Post subject: Re: ECU repair
PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2016 1:31 pm 
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Just lifted the ecu out of my car and no surprise, it looks like the pictures
I'm hoping that this is the sole issue with the car now, or at least the issue that is preventing it running!
Any suggestions on someone offering a repair service? I really don't trust myself with a soldering iron!
Happy to pay obviously, well actually would insist on paying.

Have taken a couple of quick pics with the phone and can post them up later when I get home if they are of any interest to anybody

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 Post subject: Re: ECU repair
PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2016 6:11 pm 
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Your on the right thread Neil.
Hope someone gets back to you asap :)
It's a year or so since mine was sorted here xxx

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 Post subject: Re: ECU repair
PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2016 8:08 pm 
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I'm happy to do it for the cost of postage. I suggest using special delivery as this is tracked & insured, bearing in mind how rare these are. Usually about £20 each way. Drop me a PM if you want.

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